S2 E10: Citizen Thind

June 14, 2017

The story of Bhagat Singh Thind, and also of Takao Ozawa – Asian immigrants who, in the 1920s, sought to convince the U.S. Supreme Court that they were white in order to gain American citizenship. Thind’s “bargain with white supremacy,” and the deeply revealing results.


Photo: Bhagat Singh Thind in U.S. Army uniform. Smithsonian Institution

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10 comments on “S2 E10: Citizen Thind

  1. Hannah Jul 12, 2018

    Just can’t thank you enough for making this information available to the public. It’s been incredibly eye opening for me and many members of my community. Thank you.

  2. Strange that now we may soon realistically discuss …
    Legality of “race” – as far as who gets reparations.

    Let’s hope it is a smooth process.

  3. Muoi Sau Apr 13, 2020

    Just, Thank you! Incredible resources!

  4. Brian K Freeland May 25, 2020

    The ideal of Whiteness is a Race and Power Dynamics, which is why it has become religious for many people in America. Trump Make America and the White again.

  5. James Maddox May 27, 2020

    As I have listened to the Seeing White podcast, I have found the comments of Dr. Chenjerai Kumanyika pedantic and vapid. In episode # 10, 19 minutes of Kumanyika and the host John Biewen was almost too much to bear, but I forged ahead and listened to the entire exchange.

  6. THANK YOU for this series. Really eye-opening, sad and brutally honest and has inspired me to take a deep dive into my own whiteness and privilege. Wishing this series would be “required listening” to every person in America…!

    • Julie Aug 23, 2020

      Totally agree. I found the whole season to be excellent and this episode in particular blew me away. In contrast to the listener above, I loved and looked forward to the parts with Chenjerai Kumanyika.

  7. Mary Sandiford Aug 27, 2020

    This is one of the most provocative and transforming series I have ever experienced. I have shared this with colleagues, friends and neighbors. I feel much more comfortable talking about race than I did before listening to Seeing White. Thank you.

  8. Bruce Bryant Nov 1, 2020

    This series and discussion is astounding and I hope never ends. Besides waking me up to history that I was totally unaware of. I especially enjoyed Dr. Kumanyika’s perspective on things. It wasn’t always what I expected but always rang true.

  9. David Reich Nov 18, 2020

    Thank you for such a thought-provoking series that is so relevant now more than ever. I a white. Let’s get that out of the way. Now, each episode prompts me to think about my education, which I’ve always believed was good, but only to prepare us for success in America. I grew up in the 1950s and 1960s, so this might not speak exactly to education today, although my estimation is it hasn’t changed that much. Rather than educating our children to help prepare them for the status quo, why not emphasize bringing out critical thinking, emotional maturity, and spiritual traditions that reveal universal truths. i.e. “All Men Are Created Equal.”